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10 December 2007 @ 10:19 am

This doesn't piss you off? Sure pisses me off. If there was any proof anyone needed about why this country is in such a sad state, here's a good one.
Bitterfun: anus bleedingbitterfun on December 10th, 2007 06:33 pm (UTC)

...over half...

God of Thunder and Rock'n'Roll: What're you talking about?archmage on December 10th, 2007 06:42 pm (UTC)
And yet, so little to energy, SocSec, science...
bitterfun on December 10th, 2007 06:54 pm (UTC)
I have no fucking clue how they can do things like this and then wonder how this country is slipping into recession.

I'm sure Iraq is showing amazing economical growth now that the US tax dollar is financing its development.
Coinneach Fitzpatrick: Fuck you too Georgiescarybaldguy on December 10th, 2007 08:16 pm (UTC)
It's not so much that they wonder, it's that they don't fucking care.
Chrisclipdude on December 11th, 2007 12:17 am (UTC)
Well, to be fair, most spending on Social Security is manditory spending, while this chart only shows discretionary spending.
Xamyxcellent on December 10th, 2007 07:17 pm (UTC)
This is just a tip of the sickness.

So much deeper are the woes it makes me sick to think about them - so I don't. I just live the life I can and change what I can - make the best of what there is.

In my youth I isolated myself in a compound separated from dictations of country policy only to find myself jailed by my own idealistic zealot dreams. We are sick civilization - but i wonder if it just reflects the sickness of the human race at large.
bitterfun on December 10th, 2007 08:12 pm (UTC)
I think this is a "Chicken or the Egg" type of question.

Side note: While the egg has been proved to be the predecessor it vehemently denies association to the chicken. Diplomacy to follow.
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Roll: Burn The Worldarchmage on December 10th, 2007 11:07 pm (UTC)
I'm quite sure it does. I put very little stock in the human race.
Mickt_o_e on December 10th, 2007 10:16 pm (UTC)
One of the biggest reasons for the collapse of the Soviet Union was that so much of their budget kept going to the military when the country's infrastructure was falling apart. Sounding familiar?
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Rollarchmage on December 10th, 2007 11:08 pm (UTC)
Hell, I'm all for it. I've said for years that the country needs to split into smaller states, as our country had outgrown our government.
Mickt_o_e on December 11th, 2007 02:28 am (UTC)
You'll have to find a used copy but I highly recommend "The Nine Nations of North America" by Joel Garreau to see where those splits might occur. The book isn't about splitting up the country. It's about 9 separate geographic regions in North America and how they are very different from each other; culture, economics, even language (in most of those regions, English is the language but there are huge differences in dialects).
Chrisclipdude on December 11th, 2007 12:13 am (UTC)
This is only discretionary spending. Not included is spending for Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, you heard me right: the $481.4 billion allocated for defense on that chart does not include another $190 billion the Bush administration wants Congress to allocate for these wars in 2008 fiscal year.
Chrisdeusinnomen on December 11th, 2007 12:27 am (UTC)
Aimee's comment: "We better get some fucking cool robots out of that budget!"
paganelly: abernethy xenapaganelly on December 11th, 2007 04:33 am (UTC)
Actually it doesn't piss me off
Maybe that's because I'm in a line of work where we use body armor, kevlar helmets, weapons, and ammunition and we deserve pay increases and better equipment, and proper training costs money...that whole military thing...

Basic pay for military members has finally been increasing (over the last four years). Basic pay for subsidence and housing has finally been increased (we do have military members who have had to apply for welfare because they don't earn enough to raise a family solely on their military salary). Tuition assistance for military members now covers almost 100% of course costs, as opposed to the 50-75% of just three years ago. Commissaries, exchanges (where most military members and their immediate families (spouses and children) purchase groceries and clothing and other necessary items because it's cheaper) have finally been improved. Benefits for retirees and veterans are improving.

All of these funds come from.....the DoD discretionary fund. We have actors and professional athletes who make millions of dollars in one day and teachers and military members who are barely scraping by. THAT pisses me off. Members of Congress DON'T pay into Social Security but they receive benefits. THAT pisses me off. Members of Congress also collect the same pay after leaving office that they had while in office. That's offensive. Better pay, better benfits, better gear and equipment for our military members...that's long overdue.

It costs money to launch a helicopter for Search and Rescue or get a ship underway or launch a plane from the deck of a carrier. It costs money to run military hospitals to care for retirees, active duty members and reservists who are sick or wounded and veterans who payed a heavy price.

Take away the discretionary fund and you take away our commissaries and exchanges, our morale funds, our recreation centers and the schools we build on U.S. military bases in foreign countries to properly educate the sons and daughters of our military members. You take away the pay increases and increases in benefits that Congress wanted to deny us. But, I suppose when most people think of our military, they fail to see the faces that make up our armed services. That's ok. We'll still serve.
syrinakintarisyrinakintari on December 11th, 2007 05:36 am (UTC)
Re: Actually it doesn't piss me off
Having lived over seas although not a military I new many who were and can see your point to a certain extent. However, our children here deserve to be properly educated as well. US military personal are certain not the only ones who have had to apply for welfare...there are people such as firemen and policeman stateside that have had to do so as well. I point out those b/c they to are risking their lives in service.

This is not ment to slam in any way simply to point out another side to the issue. I'm sure it does take a lot to run the military but, perhaps there needs to be better allocation and accountability all around.
paganellypaganelly on December 11th, 2007 11:25 pm (UTC)
Re: Actually it doesn't piss me off
No worries. Not taken as a slam.

As I pointed out to Archmage, not a single person actually wrote that they were appalled at the state of our education system or how little pay our teachers and school administrators, not to mention police officers, firefighters and EMS personnel are all paid.

I have some very good friends, and family, who are police officers, EMS personnel, firefighters and teachers. I know how little they get paid. I know how frustrating and daunting it is for them. Many of them are also military reservists or members of the national guard/air national guard. I'm not saying educating our children/youth is not important. I'm not saying that police officers and firefighters and teachers don't deserve/need higher pay. I agree with all of that.
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Rollarchmage on December 11th, 2007 05:54 am (UTC)
Re: Actually it doesn't piss me off
Not at all. I'm a firm believer in supporting the troops, if not the war. However, I also think that it's a shame that we are spending so much on "defense" and so little on our own country's education, agriculture, and infrastructure in general. Our educational standards are falling further and further each year, and yet we spend less and less on that education.

If I have to make a choice between military spending and educational spending, yes, I'll choose the schools first. Sure, it costs money to run the army, and it costs money to run the schools, too. And, no offense to any of my many friends n the armed services, but I do consider it more important that we educate our children than we engage in more military actions.

Maybe, just maybe, if we HAD educated people better, we wouldn't be going to war so often. We wouldn't be trying to hold on to such a huge standing army, and thus, we wouldn't need to spend so much to support them, and that money might actually get them the things they need.
paganellypaganelly on December 11th, 2007 11:19 pm (UTC)
Re: Actually it doesn't piss me off
Ah, I see. Not a single person made that statement before I posted the uses of the Defense discretionary funds. I agree that educating our children/youth is fundamentally important to the success of our society and that if we educated people properly we would not be doomed to repeat our mistakes. Educators and our education system are grossly underfunded. Firefighters and police officers are also grossly underpaid. But, Hollywood and our professional athletes are the first to go on strike if their pay is threatened by a salary cap. Maybe we should get our entertainers, professional athletes, and Congress to take a pay cut so that we can pay our educators and first responders what they deserve and improve our education system...
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Rollarchmage on December 11th, 2007 11:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Actually it doesn't piss me off
And I am RIGHT in line with you, there. Frankly, I think it's a huge shame that these celebrities make so much cash for what they do, and sports figures, even more so. I'd like to see them make a lot less, or at least do a lot more with it.