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31 May 2009 @ 10:24 pm
Saw Saw  
Between yesterday and today, Di and I watched the Saw series in order, leading up to the fact that we finally bought Saw V, which I never managed to see. I love this series, I really do. Just great films, in my opinion, and it was worth the wait to finally see #5. Not only was it fun and built nicely on the last 2, but it's the first of the series to actually make me wince...and lemme tell you, that's not an easy thing to do.

I think what I really love about them comes down to 2 things. One, they don't pull any punches, but it's rarely just gratuitous gore, it all follows from what's happening. Two, each one ends with a knowledge that the work goes on, and yes, there could be a sequel, but there's not a necessity of a sequel. Any one of them could end the series with satisfaction, but each one lets you know that the game's not over. No happy-scrappy-everyone-goes-home-happy endings, here. There'll always be people out there in need of a lesson, and John's work will continue, even after his death.

Couple weeks, I just might do them all again. Watching them with the foreknowledge of what's going on behind the story isn';t hurting it for me, it's making it that much more interesting to watch the development.
Staxstaxxy on June 1st, 2009 07:18 am (UTC)
you know, everything I have heard and seen about this series puts it squarely into a box of movies I just won't watch. As misanthropic as I can be, I really loathe watching anything that bowls down to "people being cruel to other people because they *can*". Revenge is fine, but abject cruelty on its own is right out. I also can't watch any sort of cruelty to animals.

It really sends me into a "must kill all humans, for they are irredeemable" rage.
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Roll: AMPDarchmage on June 1st, 2009 03:18 pm (UTC)
See, crap like Hostel boiled down to "cruelty for the sake of cruelty" for me, sure, and there were a ton of films like it that rode the coattails of Saw's success that had that same kind of feel. Those, I don't enjoy, because there's no story, no point, other than "wow, look at this vicious wound" over and over again. Sheer shock/scare tactics, utterly cookie-cutter and forgettable.

Saw had it's share of blood, but the story behind it made more sense, and as the movies progressed, more of that story came out. I'm not trying to lionize them, just saying that they were well above and different from the imitators that came after.
Staxstaxxy on June 1st, 2009 07:56 pm (UTC)
all of my horror buff friends sing it's praises, but those that know my tastes universally agree that it is just not a series for me. A friend of mine is an enormous horror movie buff and fan, and kind of pre-screens movies for me. I love a really good story, and I really do like some genres of horror (zombies, supernatural, biblical, some psychological, fantasy, silly, cthulhian, e.g.). I tend to avoid certain mystery/thriller films for the exact same reason.

It is a shame that I can not watch this series. It sounds like it is really well done and very fun. But I know that it is a Bad Idea(tm) for me to do so. :/
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Rollarchmage on June 1st, 2009 08:09 pm (UTC)
Well, sure, if it's not your kind of film (or guaranteed to skeeve you out!), then yeah, I wouldn't reco you watching it. Nothing's for everyone.
Staxstaxxy on June 1st, 2009 08:39 pm (UTC)
true enough. :)
Everybody's Girl: meat is murderherince_emyn on June 1st, 2009 07:23 am (UTC)
I actually would argue about the gratuitous gore. I love the first Saw movie, and thought the second one was decent enough, though not as good as the first. But I thought they were both strong in terms of being original, clever and a good thrill, without overdoing the gore.

Saw III is where I think that they completely overdid the gore factor. I thought it was a good movie in terms of the plot and story, because I really like the Jigsaw character and want to know what happens with him. But that scene with the female cop and the ribcage puzzle....oh dear god no.

That scene traumatized me a little bit. I thought that was horrifically gory, and I didn't think it needed to be. I understood the *point* of that particular puzzle, I just didn't want to actually SEE what happened. I would have been so much happier NOT having seen that much gore on my TV. I was actually a little nauseated after that scene.

I haven't seen Saw IV or V because I'm a little worried about them upping the gore even MORE than Saw III. I'm big on horror, but not on gore. =/
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Rollarchmage on June 1st, 2009 03:12 pm (UTC)
I never said there was no over-the-top gore, just that it wasn't there simply for the shock value of "look how bloody we can be, isn't it cool?"
Everybody's Girl: meat is murderherince_emyn on June 1st, 2009 04:02 pm (UTC)
How bloody/gory are the fourth and fifth movies? Part of me still really wants to see them to see what happens with the story and the characters, but the other part of me is afraid that it'll be too gory for my liking...
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Roll: Argumentarchmage on June 1st, 2009 04:54 pm (UTC)
Well...Yeah, gonna make a leap of assumption and say you should just skip them, visually. There's a few scenes that are pretty rough. Too bad, too, because the story goes in a pretty cool direction. Next time we're in the same room, I'll give you the Cliff's Notes version of the storyline.
Staxstaxxy on June 1st, 2009 07:57 pm (UTC)
I would love the cliffs notes version of the *story*, myself.
Everybody's Girl: meat is murderherince_emyn on June 2nd, 2009 12:38 am (UTC)
Yeah, it's a shame. I really like the story, but I just can't handle watching some of the gore they do. I'm fine covering my eyes as long as I have a heads up, but sometimes it just gets you too fast and there's no time to react.

I'll be at game on Wednesday, perhaps you can fill me in then? :)
Teri Smithkitchenqueen on June 1st, 2009 12:58 pm (UTC)
I just remember the ads for Saw II: "You saw Saw. Now see Saw 2, too!" Unless that was a fake ad. Could have been. Give me a break, it's early.
Kellykwsapphire on June 1st, 2009 04:03 pm (UTC)
Thank you for taking care of that for me. Someone out there has to enjoy those movies, and I'm SO glad you do, because I can't sit through five minutes of any of those movies. I can't sit through ONE minute in some scenes.

So thank you.

Utterly NOT my kind of movie.
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Roll: Archmage Drinkingarchmage on June 1st, 2009 04:52 pm (UTC)
Happy to help! :P
Elli Mayhem: martyrsellimayhem on June 1st, 2009 05:15 pm (UTC)
You like good horror, check out Martyrs. It's recently come out on DVD.