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06 December 2009 @ 01:05 pm
Brainwashing  
So, Di and I went out for breakfast/lunch at the little diner near our place, Fat Dave's. Mid-way through our meals, we couldn't help but overhear the conversation at the next table. It was a father and young son (maybe 7 or 8 years old). The talk was all bible-related, and Dad was calmly but seriously going on about God and Jesus and whatnot.

Now, I'm a firm believer in the idea that you are entitled to your opinion in how you relate top the Universe, and if you choose to believe in any of the various flavors of religion, then I will support your right to do so and fight against anyone that tells you you can't or shouldn't. It's when your belief starts to infringe on others that I get twitchy about it. With that in mind, I wasn't going to interrupt his little Sunday School lesson, here. It wasn't any of my business, after all, but it was loud enough that I couldn't avoid hearing it.

Anyway, we picked up the convo as he was mentioning the fact that the Egyptians could see that the Israelites weren't going to be able to go form their own nation, as they weren't responsible enough or something. Look at them now, he said, Israel is just, quote, "a speedbump", unquote. That was where I started to lose my appetite. Things just went downhill form there, as he and the boy talked about the fact that obviously God was here on Earth, how other gods were false or impostors (and atheists and gays were evil), and how other mythological beasts were images of the evils of Man as disconnected from God. All this and plenty of other brain-washing lunacy, all backed up by mentions of the books of the bible that "proved" it. The kid joined in laughing at anything that wasn't Christian, nodding along and asking questions.

It was painful and sad to hear. I really wanted to turn around and point out that the other religious extremists that this guy so obviously supports us trying to destroy are telling their kids exactly the same things, and that perhaps he should consider the ramifications of that statement. However, as I said, this was not my business, and besides, I learned a long time ago that arguing with a zealot is like arguing with a brick wall: it doesn't matter what you say, it's going to remain the same as it was when you started, impassive and unchanged.

Also sad, because the child was obviously bright and curious. instead of his mind flowering and looking around to see possibilities, it's being stuffed full of this. He'll know one way to think, and he'll learn to blindly accept what he's told. I can only hope that when he's old enough to think for himself, he will look at things openly and make a decision about how he chooses to live his life that is untainted by what he's heard. Maybe he'll at least choose to live a Christian life that is concerned with peace and love and not close-minded adherence to rigor without question.
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Steve Hutchisonfoomf on December 6th, 2009 09:42 pm (UTC)
I would have had a real hard time with any of that baloney being identified as "Christian" ... it sounds like a variation on the Christian Identity stuff, and the way they indoctrinate their members.
Oh yeah, for anyone who hasn't heard, "Christian Identity" is a white-supremacist racist collection of utter nonsense. The bit about Israel is the key phrase in this case.
mirandapadgett on December 7th, 2009 01:44 am (UTC)
This was my thought upon reading. We have a lot of Christian Identity goobers where I live.
circle23circle23 on December 6th, 2009 09:50 pm (UTC)
perfect time to hand the kid condoms "for the rest of our sake use these everytime no matter what this douchebag says"
Matted_dirt on December 6th, 2009 10:08 pm (UTC)
GET THEE BEHIND ME, SATAN!!!
Everybody's Girl: jesusherince_emyn on December 6th, 2009 10:58 pm (UTC)
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Bad NoNo the One Man Crimewavenihil_duce on December 6th, 2009 11:16 pm (UTC)
I respect any religion whose religious texts don't criticize or consider me a spiritual second class citizen for not following their beliefs.



You can imagine how many religions I respect.
Bellybellybalt on December 7th, 2009 02:05 am (UTC)
Hmm, that guy must not be a run-of-the-mill baptist, evangelist or even fundamentalist. All those groups are SUPER supportive of Israel. (Of course, its because they think Israel's existence brings us closer to the End Times, but what can ya do!)
Teri Smithkitchenqueen on December 7th, 2009 02:20 am (UTC)
See, it's that kind of idiots that make legitimate Christians look bad.
~LisaHopephoenxbutterfly on December 7th, 2009 02:36 am (UTC)
I completely agree. There are a lot of Christians who believe in supporting others in finding their own path and beliefs. I try to follow the 'judge not' path of tolerance. 'Christians' like this guy make my skin crawl, Jesus did not preach intolerance. So those 'Christians' who are intolerance are abhorent to me and most of the legitimate Christians that I know.
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Rollarchmage on December 7th, 2009 02:42 am (UTC)
Exactly. 'Bad apples' and such.
Kellykwsapphire on December 7th, 2009 05:27 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it's just really annoying at how many and how LOUD that type of intolerant christian is. Sometimes it doesn't even seem like a vocal minority, it almost seems like a majority.. so much so that when people tell me they're Christian I almost flinch and think "Oh great, what's next?"
Amelia: Calvin And Uncle Jokerpadparadscha on December 8th, 2009 08:19 am (UTC)
That's the worst problem--it's hard to break into the "you realize this is what the other zealots are thinking, too. And then it gets passed on to kids ...

Granted, my parents are both recovering Catholics, so we can only hope the kid wises up DESPITE his dad's crazy.