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28 May 2002 @ 08:55 am
Holiday Rant  
Well, now that life is starting to return to normal, allow me to stir up some more trouble.

Is anyone else disgusted by how much 'September 11th' crap got brought up on Memorial Day? This is supposed to be a day that we devote to and remember those Americans that fought for our country, living and dead. And while patriotism may not be my thing, and I may not agree with that bunch of shit-fisted Muppet fuckers that call themselves our government, I do have a certain respect for anyone that believed in this country enough to go and fight for it. That is conviction, and I salute you.

If I hear 'those that died in the WTC bombing were heroes' one more time I'm gonna have to rip the lips off whoever said it. They were not heroes, they were victims. They got up and went into the office, and were blown up. Period. They were not protecting our interests or fighting at all, nor had anything to do with anything even vaguely concerning our country. Get over it.

While we're on the subject, have you heard about the ceremony they are going to hold there? Clean-up of the WTC site is scheduled to be finished on Thursday (ahead of schedule, congrats). As a closing ceremony kind of thing, the last thing that they will carry out of the site will be an empty, flag-draped stretcher, some sort of grisly memorial to 'those that died'. OK, first of all, the final death count for the whole incident was LESS THAN 3000...shit we lose THAT MANY to stupid shit each day. Secondly, is it just me, or is that just a tad morbid? Not the way I'D want to be remembered.

I also see that some woman in LA, along with the help of communities across the coutry, WALKED a flag from there to NYC, presenting it to the NYFD on Memorial Day...the event even got a title, the 'Patriot Line'. She was on the national news and everything...which seems to me to be the real reason it was done. And what was in 'in memorial' of? Yep, you guessed it: September 11th.

Welcome to Amerika, Land of Over-Romanticism and Home of the Pointless. We can't seem to have something happen without infusing everything with it and using it for our own personal gain. And can we let somethng go? Hell no. We have to make sure that you aren't scared otr upset by it, and therefore we must make a point of it in every possible way. And as soon as we start letting something get behind us, well, let's just raise a stink about it somewhere else, and get it back in the news! Or let's relate something to it that isn't connected, and bitch about that too!

You know, I was on multiple planes on September 10th. Just a day earlier, and I might have been one of those victims. And I'd have been disgusted that I was remembered in such a fashion. But I wasn't. So I've moved on...just waiting for the coutry to catch up. But it seems they wil not, for they are too busy putting more spotlights on these victims, instead of shining it where it needs to be: on those who had the integrity and the balls to say 'No', and who felt strongly enough about it to go and do something about it.

I salute our veterans.
The Cynicdiscordian on May 28th, 2002 09:17 am (UTC)
I believe Sir Paul said it best. "Live and let die". This has been my bitch for months. Buildings fell, there were a few people in them that didn't get out. Those of us who love NY and those that are related to people in the building, have suffered a great loss. But for crying out loud, people!!! Let the wound heal. Yes, we'll never forget, the scar will forever be a reminder. But Christ, life goes on!!
ex_skeleton280 on May 28th, 2002 10:25 am (UTC)
MAN am I glad someone else feels this way. It's fucking exhausting. EXHAUSTING.

Literally 5 minutes cannot go by in NYC without SOME reference to September 11th. And of course, EVERY holiday, EVERY service, celebration, ceremony or gathering, evenif it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the WTC attacks has to give a nod to "the fallen heroes of September 11th", as if ANYBODY, especially here IN New York fucking City could forget. Like HOW MANY services have they had honoring cops and firefighters now? I've lost count.

I'm SO out of here on the 4th of July.
ratspikeratspike on May 28th, 2002 01:41 pm (UTC)
Amen brother. Memorial Day is for our veterans. Not for a bunch of people who, however unfortunately, were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Of course those people have families whose lives are forever changed because of it and I can't imagine what it must be like to suffer that kind of loss.


They weren't serving this great nation. I have the utmost respect for every single person who's served, whether for 2 years or 20.

Personally I think the most tragic loss on 9-11 were the police officers, firefighers and emergency services personnel who died trying to save the people who were in the twin towers. They put themselves in harm's way to serve and protect on a regular basis, for very little pay and even less respect from the public at large. If there is any group from that day who can rightfully be called heroes it's definitely them.

Give these people a memorial and set aside a day for rememberance, but then move the hell on.
violetvixen on May 28th, 2002 04:20 pm (UTC)
*cheers* I love it when you preface things with pissing people off... I normally agree.. .and greatly appriciate your eclectic vocabulary. This time is no different.

I practically grew up in a VFW (Veterens of Forign Wars) and hung out with many veterens of many different wars. Here I remember them... all be it a day late... but the day is not the point. The remembering is.
RavenLaceravenlace on May 28th, 2002 10:45 pm (UTC)
okay this raises a few bitches in me. first yeah i agree. the people in the twin towers were victims not heroes. and once more they were all killed very quickly and most did not suffer. the ones they left behind did.
if i was going to feel and want to contribute to anything that happened that day it would be to the orphans and housewives now single mothers who lost all the support for the children. and yes get over it. think of thier psychiatric bills when kids who don't understand and have lost so much had thier entire lives ripped to shreds have neverending reminders everyday of thier loss. no one is doing anyone a service by carrying on and keeping the pain they felt alive. much better to go on remember and LEARN and do something to better the life you have then to live in loss.

secondly. i come from a long line of military members. i am married to one. and know many others. and frankly. it's not usually any type of conviction that drives them but the fact that they pissed off thier own lives and had nothing left to make them a cushy lifestyle with job security i.e. weren't getting fired every other week then to sign thier life away to a system even they hate and despise. now i know that is going to piss off alot of people. but it is true. and i have alot of respect for the ones with true convictions. the ones who have pride in what and who they are/do. the sacrifices they all make. time with families or the losses thereof. but most of everyone who enlists have no idea what they are getting into. they learn alot of skills that stand them in good stead in the civilian world and get the hell out as soon as thier contract is up. so much that the government bribes them with like $40k to reinlist above and beyond the normal monthly pay. above all the college the medical and dental. the housing support etc. all the things you get access to for free for entertainment or discounts on needed items. as most of my friends know i am in a horrible situation with my soon to be ex. all things that he would be locked away for in the civilian world he is being protected from by the military. and i know i'm not the only one. i see it all around. and i live on base i'm the powerless one for myself and everyone else. it's not that they are ALL good people. you just rarely hear the bad because it is in another world and the two rarely entertwine. and this is better then it used to be back when my mother got divorced my active duty father was given free reign to never pay child support to a poverty stricken wife. there are women in the military and gay people and they are STILL being completely ostracized by most members. and most men who die in active duty do so from sheer stupidity. getting drunk and driving down the wrong side of a 1 way street killing a family on the way to the hospital to give birth. or drunk flipping the car over and killing his girlfriend. when you see this shit everyday. and you find out first hand how bad most of our "heroes" actually are. then come and talk to me.
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Rollarchmage on May 29th, 2002 10:03 am (UTC)
Re: Heroes?
Keep in mind there is a big difference today than 50 years ago. Social attitudes and mnores are different, and war is different. Hell, the only war in the last 30 years was a fiasco (Vietnam), and the 'Gulf War' was more of a distraction and police action than a war. All this contributes to a slovenly attitude towards the military, especially in those going to it. PLus society isn't promoting a work ethic or pride as much now, making the military less of a career choice, and more of a 'lack-of-career' choice.

Now add to this your situation, which is admittedly shitty. Between your own experience and your mom's, it is going to tend to make you jaded against the militarial ideal. And most of this experience is in the same kind of surroundings and attitudes that I previously mentioned, so must be taken in the context of the world as it is.

I'm not talking about this kind of person (I know plenty as well). These are not veterans. And I know there will always be a certain cross-section of any group that will fit both ends of the spectrum. I admit and accept that.
RavenLaceravenlace on May 29th, 2002 07:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Heroes?
yes and i agree that there have been true heroe's in the military. just as there are in everyday life. those that not only give up everything but do so for strangers. asking nothing in return. i was just pointing out that the military people are not heroes just because they are military. and for your last statement stand behind you 100%
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Rollarchmage on May 29th, 2002 11:22 pm (UTC)
Re: Heroes?
True, there are always heroes. My whole point is that Memorial Day is specifically for military veterans, heroes or not, and should not be diluted with this 9-11 nonsense.
wesa on May 29th, 2002 06:03 pm (UTC)
i agree.

September 11 is getting franchised like no other "holiday" out there. people are trying to make money off this by including it with regular holidays. yes, memorial day is a day for men and women who died in wars protecting or serving our country, but those people who died in the towers were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

i can go on for hours but i'll just repeat myself. and look somewhere else when i pass a display of flags, pins, buttons, bows, pens, shoes, beach towels, all in red white and blue to remember those who died.