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I would have left this sort of thing for the comments section of someone else's journal, but they turned comments off, so you all get it here. Which is just as well, since it's a topical kinda thing. This is a long one, folks.

A recent letter that got around the military and on to the public states the usual bullshit I'm used to hearing. It involves the controversy about "God" being in the pledge, etc.

Our forefathers fought, bled, and died at places such as Bunker Hill, Antietam, San Juan, Iwo Jima, Normandy, Korea, Vietnam...We speak English, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society -learn our language!"

While I might agree with that, it is presented, not only in an arrogant manner, but in a pointless way as well. Sure, English is the national language, and therefore you should learn to speak it, but NOT because 'our forefathers' died in places such as "Bunker Hill, Antietam, San Juan, Iwo Jima, Normandy, Korea, Vietnam". Hell, two of those are Civil War battle sites, and NOTHING to do with this argument.

In God We Trust is our national motto. This is not some off-the-wall, Christian, Right Wing, political slogan - it is our national motto. It is engraved in stone in the House of Representatives in our Capitol and it is printed on our currency. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation and this is clearly documented throughout our history. If it is appropriate for our motto to be inscribed in the halls of our highest level of Government, then it is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. God is in our pledge, our National Anthem, nearly every patriotic song, and in our founding documents. We honor His birth, death, and resurrection as holidays, and we turn to Him in prayer in times of crisis. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture and we are proud to have Him.

Man, I can't wait to tear this apart. This is NOT our national motto, our motto is "E Pluribus Unum". It is true that the first settlers here, from Europe, were Christians, running from oppression...BY OTHER CHRISTIANS. So don't go touting Christianity as such a freedom of choice. And let's also go on to note that for all the religiosity of the 'founding fathers', they were just as bad as the rest of us. Common knowledge facts include the fact that Jefferson had plenty of black slaves, even fathering children by them and Franklin was a member of the notorious Hellfire Club, just to name a couple. Observing Christianity's holidays as religious observances proves nothing...we also honor Martin Luther King Junior's B'Day, recognize Jewish holidays, etc. Let's add to that the fact that Christmas, in it's form as we know it, is NOT the Christian holiday it's made out to be, but in fact a melding of Christian and Roman and Pagan celebrations. When you are in power, you get what YOU want put into place.Lucky for the Christians that Hitler was a military dumbass, eh? And this smarmy attitude of "God is part of our culture and we are proud to have him"? Hey, guess what, you First Amendment-ignoring jackass, as a free country, LOTS of gods and goddesses and forces are 'part of our culture', and you'd do well to remember that. So there are more of you here than any other, that gives YOU the right to tell the rest of US what we should do? Congratulations, that makes you more of a dictatorial fascist than we've ever had in this country. Proud of yourself now?

We are proud of our heritage and those who have so honorably defended our freedoms. We celebrate Independence Day, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, and Flag Day. We have parades, picnics, and barbecues where we proudly wave our flag.

Not that this is in question.

As an American, I have the right to wave my flag, sing my national anthem, quote my national motto, and cite my pledge whenever and wherever I choose. If the Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. The American culture is our way of life, our heritage, and we are proud of it. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really do not care how you did things where you came from. Like it or not, this is our country, our land, and our lifestyle.

*LOL* The author of this piece of garbage is a real piece of work. Bill Hicks once did a piece on flag-burning, and laughed at some of the people against it: "Well, I don't like it, I don't wanna burn the flag"..."Then fucking DON'T! No one is making you." I don't really care what you do, as long as it doesn't infringe on me...and your adding God to your utterances doesn't make a difference to me. It's when you force ME to ally myself with a deity I do not agree with that the problem arises. You wouldn't swear a pledge to Allah, or Buddha, or Eris, would you? OK, then. And this sounds like it is written for those that come from another country, and if so that's fine (arrogant, but fine), but what the author seems to be ignoring is that fact that these complaints are not coming from immigrants but from the same Americans that s/he/it claim to speak for. Judd Nelson put it best in 'The Breakfast Club': "You think I'd speak for you? I don't even know your language." Don't speak for the country, bud, you may find out that you aren't as supported as you believe.

Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion about our government, culture, or society, and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom: THE RIGHT TO LEAVE!

Again, this person seems to forget that the First Amendment is more than just free speech, it's also free RELIGION. Beyond that, they make themselves look like a REAL jackass here. 'The 1st amendment gives everyone the right to express themselves, but if you don't like things, get out'?!? Someone needs to go back and take a very basic civics course. And this time, pay attention.

Another thing: To those who do complain about the usage of words like God and American and speaking the language of our great nation, TRY GOING TO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND SPEAK AGAINST WHAT YOU DO NOT LIKE. YOU WILL MORE THAN LIKELY END UP JAILED OR EVEN KILLED.

I wish I knew what sparked off this whole 'language' thing, but let's move past that. Let's look at the context here. Right after saying that if you don't like the way things are, to go somewhere else, they then tell us that we are gonna end up dead or jailed there. So, in essence, "you have it good here, so shut up, it could be a lot worse". *shakes head* So, the great "American" institution of speaking our minds about that which we disagree with, so we can improve things, is just bullshit? I don't think so.

In America, you take your right to complain for granted. The more patriotism that is removed from where our children are taught, the less our children will learn about what it is to be an American and our nation's spirit will slowly be killed. Keep patriotism alive.

Once again, a bit of wandering from the issues. No one has shot down patriotism, which is a belief and love of one's COUNTRY. Now, seeing as how we have a freedom of religion in this country, in the very documents that helped create and run this country, and we also have a separation of church and state, then the love of the country shoudl include, at it's heart, the respect and acceptance of other religions. If you cannot do that, then it is YOU who are against the country, not I, so maybe YOU should get out. People like to yell about how this is 'infringing' on their religion, but refuse to see how they are themselves infringing on others' religions, and how this whole argument boils down to just how free we are here. This author says that we take "the right to complain" for granted, but I say that he is taking his freedom of religion for granted, and forgetting that there are more out there than his. And, just as an added snipe: his is not the biggest.

I have nothing against the military, per se, but, admittedly, sometimes I wish they would be stifled from public debate. Someone who has been brainwashed to a single method of thought cannot accurately defend or deal with alternative views, and that is not their fault. And that brainwashing couldbe from any direction: military, religious, political, or whatever.

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