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22 July 2004 @ 09:57 am
Upcoming Movie: 'Saw'  
Somehow, I missed the upcoming stuff for this flick, but I am gonna be awaiting it's release intensely...this flick looks fuckin' EVIL.

Saw (IMDb Listing)

Official Site (*yawn*)

The Site You Need To See

If you are easily disturbed, well, you might wanna give this a pass.
Hadencahadenca on July 22nd, 2004 10:02 am (UTC)
Not that you know me or anything, I am seriously excited about this flick!
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Rollarchmage on July 22nd, 2004 10:40 am (UTC)
It definitely has my interest piqued. In a day and age where everyone is worried about offending someone else, it's nice to see someone make a vicious, gory, visceral horror flick, and not have a buncha teeny-boppers in it.
Chrisdeusinnomen on July 22nd, 2004 10:05 am (UTC)
That is really, REALLY fucked up.
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Roll: Rock Zombiearchmage on July 22nd, 2004 10:44 am (UTC)
I know...ain't it cool?
The Cynic: Drinkersdiscordian on July 22nd, 2004 10:36 am (UTC)
Concept looks good. But something inside me is telling me it's going to be the next in line of Feardotcom, The Ring and Gothica. All the same movie, different bad guy. But I do have to give this one a good rating for the creep factor.
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Roll: AMPDarchmage on July 22nd, 2004 10:43 am (UTC)
OK, first off, don't even attempt to put 'The Ring' in the same category as those other two loads of craperoo. I'll even happily admit that the American remake isn't anywhere near as good as the original Japanese, but it's still a good flick, as opposed to the others.

Second, yeah, I was a bit worried that this would be another "feardotBOMB", but the more I read up on it, the less I'm worried about it. Right off the bat, it originally had an NC-17 rating, cut down to get the R, but that's a good sign (director has already said the original will be reinstated for the DVD). how many films today would even bother going that far? Answer: NONE.

Best review I've seen yet compared iot to "Se7en", which is another good sign.
The Cynic: bullshitdiscordian on July 22nd, 2004 11:14 am (UTC)
Oh come on! The Ring (at least in the American version) was the same fuckin movie as the other two. Basic plot:

A person somehow abused/tortured/murdered metaphysically guides one/several/anyone onto a path to discover what happened to them on order to get buried/saved/exact revenge, causing them pain, discomfort, bodily harm and death or threat there of in the process. Adjust a few background characters, minor events and the settings - and the end result is exactly the same movie, three times in a row. Gothica was the creepiest of the three - but very poorly held together. The Ring had a pretty solid plot, but hardly scary at all. Feardotcom was just all around shit with the exception of Stephen Dorff and the evil doctor. I have to admit, I liked him. But still, it was exactly the same as the other two.
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Roll: Don't Fuck With Me - by theatresphynxarchmage on July 22nd, 2004 11:33 am (UTC)
If you are gonna generalize that much, you can put a helluva lot more movies in the same group, good and bad alike. Christ, look over just the last 10 years in movies (if not the last 80), and you'll see there are really only about a dozen "plots". You can't lump them together due to similar story...you could be here all day.

I can't really speak for 'Gothika', since I still haven't seen it, but it certainly appeared to me to be sold on it's "star" rather than it's creep factor...no clip I ever saw of it led me to think there was anything even slightyl creepy about it. That wasn't the case, it seems, but it wasn't what those involved were concerned with (hence why it was so badly put togteher).

'Feardotcom', well, not worth even speaking about. face it, it was shit, from scene one. Dorff and Rea are both normally good actors, but they weren't nearly enough to shine that turd.

'The Ring', on the other hand, had a good story, flowed well and didn't depend on any assumption or suspension of disbelief (you never had to ignore something to make it make sense, or anything like that). on top of that, as opposed to this type of story, normally, the 'rescue' of the restless spirit didn't put an end to the curse, and at the end, there still wsn't any resolution. No happy ending. No sense of closure. this 'problem' was going to go on, no matter what you did, and the best you could do was to curse someone else to save your own hide. That ALONE makes it worthy of standing out.
Hadencahadenca on July 22nd, 2004 11:39 am (UTC)
I'll just add that Gothika had potential, but ended up derivative and predictable. It had as much scare as Cold Creek Manor. *snickers*
The Cynicdiscordian on July 22nd, 2004 12:03 pm (UTC)
I don't think I'm generalizing at all. And while, of course, every detective movie can be summed up as "someone gets killed, and through a series of clever deductions and a twist at the end the bad guy gets caught" that's not quite the same as the case here. You don't see that watching a tape and dying in 7 days is the same as logging onto a website and dying in - what was it - 48 hours? Or tracking the tape for clues of cliffs, old houses and pictures of a long-dead woman is exactly the same as little flashes they got of the girl in the sewers and the old factory after they logged into the site. Neither movie bothered to explain what exactly killed you after you watched the material, though feardotcom had some kind of an web energy thing which could have been interesting if developed a bit further. I could go on and on. Gothika was less of a play by play copy, but a complete concept rip off as well.

But... while I still stand by my statement that all three are exactly the same movie, I will grant you that The Ring was the best of them, and as I understand it came out in Japan years before it or the other two were made here, so it gets the originality points. American version gets no scary points because it wasn't scary. At all. I happen to like Halle Berry (or at least I did, until I will have seen Catwoman), so I enjoyed Gothika, though I was very disappointed to find out I'd seen it twice before. Gothika also hit closest to home because the main character's thing was her logic and professional indifference - which was taken away when this "force" acting on her. It made her seem insane to others and question her own sanity. I could identify with that much more than caring for some child long since dead or a couple of random girls being tortured until they begged for death on the web (horrible as that may be).
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Roll: Dark Babyarchmage on July 22nd, 2004 01:12 pm (UTC)
Well, half of why Feardotcom was so bad was because they ripped off "Ringu" so badly...and I mean badly in the sense that they left out all the useful parts, and tried for eyecandy instead. What I'm saying is that they may well BE the same flick, but I don't put "The Ring" with them, as it was the original (technically, "Ringu" was the original, of course, but we're sticking with the American cinema here). The other two are just bad knockoffs.

YOU might have identified more with that particular character trait, but that doesn't mean the movie was any better or worse. The movie, itself, was still a rip-off.

As for explaining things, well, that's one spot that I will concede was lacking in all places. Even in 'The Ring', it's a point they kinda forgot to explore, though it was implied enough that it came from the girl's hatred and anger at her fate. You really should see 'Ringu' sometime. In fact, I should burn that for ya (I have the DivX, subtitles built-in).
The Cynicdiscordian on July 22nd, 2004 04:25 pm (UTC)
While it's true, Gothika spoke more to my specific fears, I don't argue that the movie was basically crap. The problem is, like I would guess about 98% of America, I haven't seen 'Ringu', though I have heard of it. Feardotcom came out first, and it was total shit. Then it was followed by two movies which bore a frightening resemblance to the first movie, which i didn't like in the first place. The whole thing just left a bad taste in my mouth, and The Ring gets lumped in there. I'll reserve final judgement for when I see Ringu.
NO, RLYpornrockangel on July 22nd, 2004 12:24 pm (UTC)
re: the ring
NO, RLY: akfapornrockangel on July 22nd, 2004 12:21 pm (UTC)
excellent. I think se7en is one of the best scary/creepy/thrillers I've seen...(even aside from the Brad...you know me) one of the best plots/stories I've seen in a film EVER.

that third link should have been the official site. wonder who made it then...it is really well done.
not sure if I could handle this one in the theater...I'm a bit sensitive (nah...really??). I think tv, daytime, with a small enough screen for me to block with squinted eyes looking through fingers at times.
delilahbowie on July 22nd, 2004 01:02 pm (UTC)
hee hee, you watch horror movies like i do! the finger-screen is very effective.
NO, RLYpornrockangel on July 22nd, 2004 01:09 pm (UTC)
indeed! :)
-|-The Grim Doomwrath of the Necrobobsledders-|-necrobutcher on July 24th, 2004 02:30 am (UTC)
You cannot fuck with Ring
delilahbowie on July 22nd, 2004 11:51 am (UTC)
did you put that caveat there for me? (needless to say, i only clicked on the links you marked boring :))
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Rollarchmage on July 22nd, 2004 11:53 am (UTC)
Heh, well, not JUST you, but you were definitely on my mind. Love ya, doll, but i don't think you wanna see this. ;)
delilahbowie on July 22nd, 2004 11:57 am (UTC)
hells no, not unless i don't plan on sleeping anytime soon. i couldn't even get through the first few seconds of the must-see site. i'm a beeg cheeeken. plus, i hated Se7en anyway.

i did watch the really terrible "wrong turn" not too long ago, did i tell you that? i only rarely hid behind my hands during the scary parts, of which there were maybe 2. i was proud. (i did have inbreeder nightmares though).

but what's it with Cary Elwes being in a horror film? Is he the good guy or the bad guy? i just think of the princess bride...i hope he's not cutting body parts off in this movie.
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Rollarchmage on July 22nd, 2004 12:00 pm (UTC)
Dunno yet...but it's nice to see him play a 'non-goofy" part for a change. I liked him in "Shadow of the Vampire", but even that part was a little campy. I'm looking forward to a really hardcore performance out of him.
delilahbowie on July 22nd, 2004 12:03 pm (UTC)
i think i'll just wait to read your review. ;)
NO, RLYpornrockangel on July 22nd, 2004 12:22 pm (UTC)
what about 'the crush'? hahah
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Roll: Bad Guy (Tough Words)archmage on July 22nd, 2004 01:14 pm (UTC)
Eh, at least it wasn't goofy, but I'd be hard-pressed to call it 'hardcore'.
My Life As A Military Wife & Mother: Mebabyinga on July 22nd, 2004 02:40 pm (UTC)
I'll leave it up to you to keep me informed of when this comes out. I so have to see it!
-|-The Grim Doomwrath of the Necrobobsledders-|-necrobutcher on July 24th, 2004 02:30 am (UTC)



I'm fucking there \m/
God of Thunder and Rock'n'Rollarchmage on July 24th, 2004 09:13 am (UTC)
Yeah, I knew you'd like that one.
-|-The Grim Doomwrath of the Necrobobsledders-|-necrobutcher on July 24th, 2004 07:14 pm (UTC)
Sorry if i posted that a million times >